General Laughing In The Dark May 11, 2007 Jon Stewart’s take Bill Maher’s take COMMENTS SPOTLIGHT Thank you Mark, I think. Question is what do we do with this knowledge…we seem so outnumbered, maybe not. One candle, right? pierces the darkness. Thank you for being a candle. At 2:31 PM, Sarah in California saidâ€¦ Thank you, Mr. Miller, THANK YOU for this footage and for doing your part to keep spreading the message begun so well in books like Kevin Phillips’ “American Theocracy.” Americans MUST begin to grasp the extent to which this problem is not going away after the next election. These people are dangerous and must be stopped. And just as an aside, I point out something that always comes to my mind when I see pieces like this one; these zealots believe that breaking legal precedent and standing laws is justifiable because they’re doing it “for God.” No democracy can function when such a thing is permitted. Nobody gets a pass on adhering to the law because they have convinced themselves that theirs is a higher calling! This may number among George Bush’s most egregious offenses – he set the tone for this with his warped rationale for invading Iraq (“I answer to a higher father” or whatever the silly quote was) and his mongrel hordes of followers see that as license to do the same in every arena. It’s really nothing less than a recipe for total anarchy. SO WHERE IS OUR “FREE” PRESS ON THE SUBJECT?? Keep up the excellent work, Mr. Miller. At 4:14 PM, MCM saidâ€¦ We are most certainly NOT outnumbered, Anonymous. Their federal power bears no relation to their numbers: hence their reliance on election fraud. The one thing that we can and must do now is stop denying the extent of the election fraud committed by the Bush Republicans (with the Democrats’ passive collusion). Let’s have a congressional investigation of the issue, prosecutions of all guilty parties, and, above all, the sort of thorough reforms that are essential NOW. As for the press, Sarah, good question. Where have they been? Let me recommend the new paperback edition of FOOLED AGAIN, which will be in stores next month. It includes a vast new afterword that deals in detail with the press’s non-response to this emergency (and takes a close look at the left press in particular). You May Also Like General Ukrainian TV journalist arrested for opposing Kiev’s war—and could do 23 years for “treason” General What's happening in New York State 19 Comments Anonymous May 10, 2007 at 4:17 pm Thank you Mark, I think. Question is what do we do with this knowledge…we seem so outnumbered, maybe not. One candle, right? pierces the darkness. Thank you for being a candle. Sarah in California May 10, 2007 at 6:31 pm Thank you, Mr. Miller, THANK YOU for this footage and for doing your part to keep spreading the message begun so well in books like Kevin Phillips’ “American Theocracy.” Americans MUST begin to grasp the extent to which this problem is not going away after the next election. These people are dangerous and must be stopped. And just as an aside, I point out something that always comes to my mind when I see pieces like this one; these zealots believe that breaking legal precedent and standing laws is justifiable because they’re doing it “for God.” No democracy can function when such a thing is permitted. Nobody gets a pass on adhering to the law because they have convinced themselves that theirs is a higher calling! This may number among George Bush’s most egregious offenses – he set the tone for this with his warped rationale for invading Iraq (“I answer to a higher father” or whatever the silly quote was) and his mongrel hordes of followers see that as license to do the same in every arena. It’s really nothing less than a recipe for total anarchy. SO WHERE IS OUR “FREE” PRESS ON THE SUBJECT?? Keep up the excellent work, Mr. Miller. MCM May 10, 2007 at 8:14 pm We are most certainly NOT outnumbered, Anonymous. Their federal power bears no relation to their numbers: hence their reliance on electon fraud. The one thing that we can and must do now is stop denying the extent of the election fraud committed by the Bush Republicans (with the Democrats’ passive collusion). Let’s have a congressional investigation of the issue, prosecutions of all guilty parties, and, above all, the sort of thorough reforms that are essential NOW. As for the press, Sarah, good question. Where have they been? Let me recommend the new paperback edition of FOOLED AGAIN, which will be in stores next month. It includes a vast new afterword that deals in detail with the press’s non-response to this emergency (and takes a close look at the left press in particular). Kathy May 11, 2007 at 1:13 am MCM, I love these vlogs you are presenting. Please keep doing them. These Christianists scare the hell out of me. I agree with Sarah how Bush has set the tone for this. I think these are the most hateful people I’ve ever seen in government. We have a huge battle ahead since these illegally placed rulers have filled the court system from the bottom to the top. It has been frightening watching this take place over the last six years as appointment after appointment was approved. I hold our politicians accountable for this. The “If I knew then what I know now” excuses don’t fly. I know they received thousands of emails and signed petitions to stop these placements.What I don’t understand is how these unqualified people can hold onto their jobs. I see it as a discrimination case against all other applicants, or “unlawful hiring practicies” lawsuit. As a last thought, I still do not believe GWB is a Christian. He uses them. No real Christian could commit the atrocities he has. I don’t know how he can sleep at night. Keep up your relentless quest of getting the truth out. If the press, especially a “liberal press” really existed, it wouldn’t be so hard. maford May 11, 2007 at 2:04 am This is a movement set up in the same way as al Qaeda – send infiltrators throughout the communities to work quietly and patiently toward the perceived goal. There is no one leader whose removal/demise will destroy the movement. That is why even as the Democrats keep investigating and trying to make changes, those within the movement just keep right on moving along towards the goal. They may seem to be self-destructing with all the lame excuses and out-right lies they keep spouting, but behind the scenes they quietly and steadfastly continue the power grab,putting loyalists in strategic positions. What makes our current situation even more dangerous is that there is an unholy alliance between the evangelicals, the corporate powers, and the neocon idealogues. Each is using the other to persue their own selfish goals. Individually these movements are not strong enough to cause permanant, long-term change in our society, but together they have a far greater power to destroy our way of life. The irony is that this is exactly what they accuse al Qaeda of doing, while all the while the real enemy is within. Anonymous May 11, 2007 at 6:12 pm This make me realize that the “work” David Horowitz is doing – villifying “liberal” professors and universities – is just an Orwellian ruse to allow schools like Regent to come in under the radar and quietly put graduates in place thoughout government. Scary stuff. Anonymous May 11, 2007 at 7:47 pm This is scary! What can be done about it? Also, I watched another video of yours about the U.S. Attorney scandal… Just so you will know: Bud Cummins/ Tim Griffin is about Arkansas… not Missouri. Thanks for the good work. Robert May 11, 2007 at 8:51 pm Thank you! As a former Fundamentalist Calvinist, I saw some of the early stages of one part this during the 1970s. Small ‘cell group’ Bible studies were formed, to influence both the church and the local community. Theonomist, Dominionist, and Reconstructionist speakers were brought in to speak at various churches and conventions. Rousas John Rushdoony, founder of Chalcedon, states the following in his book “Sovereignty” (quoted from http://www.chalcedon.edu/articles/article.php?ArticleID=2726 )‘Tierney, in discussing The Crisis of Church and State, 1050â€“1300, observed in passing that â€œtheocracy is a normal pattern of government.â€ More distinctly, we must say that theocracy is the normal pattern of government, in that men, whatever the form of polity they adopt, see it as right and ultimate; authority is given in a variety of names, e.g., the dictatorship of the proletariat, the consent of the governed, the general will, the divine right of kings, and so on, but in each case the form expresses the rightness of things. The god who rules may be a man, a class, a race, or a majority, but it is still a form of ultimate power. The word democrat comes from demos, people, and kratos, usually rendered as rule but which can also mean to take possession; thus, democracy means that the people take possession and rule. Sovereignty and rule are attributes of God, and to claim the right to rule in oneâ€™s own name is a claim to sovereignty or divinity. As Fritz Kern pointed out, medieval thinking, until quite late, regarded sovereignty as an attribute of God alone: â€œ[T]he people in the Middle Ages were no more regarded as â€˜sovereignâ€™ than was the monarch â€¦ The monarch, on the one hand, and the community on the other, are joined together in the theocratic order in such a way that both are subordinate to God and to the Law.â€ False theocracies are the rule of men; true theocracy is the rule of Godâ€™s law in men and over men. True theocracy requires a very limited church and state. Giving more power to men, either privately or institutionally, is no substitute for the rule of the triune God in the lives of men.’For sever One writer supporting this direction states (http://www.covenantnews.com/cronkrite050510.htm)“Christianity is destined to bring about peaceful revolution and revolution is a form of warfare. Our weapon is the Sword of the Spirit. Unlike the death and destruction incipient in secular revolutions, Godâ€™s change must be characterized by a free and orderly acceptance of His Laws, which will always result in peace and prosperity. Revolution cannot be brought about by acquiescence to present evils. Christian ministries must be quick with confrontation. This is of utmost importance where the government is involved because it is impossible to live a righteous life under secular government. As Dr. Rushdoony so clearly emphasized, Law is the basis for righteous change. Without a change in the law, righteousness is impossible. Christian ministries that accede to the lesser of two evils and do not militantly use the Sword of the Spirit to correct the social order, fail to fulfill their Christian mandate and do not deserve support.” What the above author believes to need correcting are listed by him, (with reference to a column by Dr. Chuck Baldwin [http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin050504.htm])some of the malignant programs being fostered by the Bush II Administration which is still supported by Christian leaders and was twice voted in by Christian voters: a. an expanded Federal role in education, b. record setting subsidies for pro-abortion and pro- homosexual organizations, c. increased funding for the United Nations, d. the attempted extension of Bill Clinton’s assault weapons ban (blocked in Congress), e. social Security benefits for illegal aliens who have returned to Mexico, f. the ongoing reduction of the U.S. Navy (which now stands at 289 ships, compared to 600 under Ronald Reagan), g. amnesty for illegal aliens, h. nominees for the Federal judiciary and the Office of Attorney General who espouse the doctrine that Roe v. Wade is ‘settled law’, i. support for Food and Drug Administration policies approving the abortion ‘pill’, RU-486, which has been used to kill scores of thousands of unborn children, j. overturning Ronald Reagan’s decision to withdraw from UNESCO, k. increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts, l. multi-billion dollar support for the Federal Legal Services Corporation and its 25,000 left-wing legal activists, m. murder-abetting assistance to the Communist government in Angola, n. historically high multi-trillion dollar fiscal deficits and trade deficits, o. a multi-trillion dollar Medicare entitlement program, p. a $20 million ‘New Freedom’ program to evaluate the mental health of 53 million students in the government schools. q. enactment of the McCain-Feingold campaign regulation law which criminalizes free speech, r. support for the U.N. Law of the Sea Treaty (UNLOST) which President Reagan rejected, s. endorsement of homosexual ‘civil unions’, t. promotion of FTAA, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO, u. a too broadly drawn Patriot Act with its outrageous ‘sneak and peek’ provisions. While I find some of these claims (b-f, h, m, o-s) unbelievable given the tendencies of the current administration and the former congress, and on others most of us would agree that current policy is wrong, the most disturbing view expressed is that “it is impossible to live a righteous life under secular government.”Christian Shariah! I have remained an Evangelical Christian while radically rejecting the views I’ve quoted above. Many Christian websites, both Conservative (and Fundamentalist) and Liberal, can be found expressing concerns or even outrage at the distortions of Christianity presented by the Dominionists, etc. If debating a Dominionist, I would prefer to use the arguments developed by the Conservatives and Fundamentalists. On the other hand, Dominionism threatens all of us, Christian, secular, pagan, pro-democracy… It means to be as much a threat (though less violent) as Al Qaeda, with which it shares a preference for theocracy. Be Well and Keep Working for Democracy,Bob Griffin Kathy May 12, 2007 at 12:47 am Bob Griffin, a question for you. Why can’t we live free and practice, or not practice any religion we choose? Why do fundamentalists think everyone must live under their laws?America has always been about freedom of religion, or from religion.Nobody is telling evangelicals they can’t live the way they want. If they want to live their life for Jesus, go for it. This Democracy has always been about choice. crowepps May 12, 2007 at 11:53 pm One thing that must be understood about these groups is that they sincerely and honestly believe that God will punish everyone, including them and their families, for the ‘sinful lifestyle’ of other people. They believe that natural catastrophes and random misfortunes are deliberately inflicted by their God on the innocent in order to punish society as a whole for not preventing bad acts by some members of society. I certainly do not agree with them that this is the way God behaves, however the theocrats push for morality laws cannot be understood without comprehending this basic motivation. Anonymous May 13, 2007 at 12:09 am What frightens me is the compilation, bit by bit, of the Unitary Executive Theory. Does Bush really want to let ANY Democrat have that power? Why would he ‘let go’? I think he and Cheney will not relinquish this power. Something huge is coming down the pike. Anonymous May 13, 2007 at 12:12 am And, also, the Air Force Academy seems to be totally taken over by fundamentalist christians. Bush has ‘militia law’ power now. We have no rights to habeus corpus anymore, Gonzales ruled that the constitution does not give that right to us….. Anonymous May 13, 2007 at 9:46 pm Contrary to what you liberals believe, unbridled democracy is not the ideal form of government. It inevitably leads to corruption and oppression. Only a democracy guided by the absolute moral principles embodied in the Holy Word of God can thrive and prosper. The righteous have nothing to fear and everything to gain by “theocracy”, in the true sense of the word. Only godless paranoid liberals and atheists like Mark Crispin Miller find it threatening. Anonymous May 14, 2007 at 3:23 am Mark, Let me try to better articulate the concern of the other anonymous who feels “outnumbered.” I think “overpowered” would have been a better term for this person to have used, and I suspect that they would probably agree with this on reflection. In spite of the ready availability of high quality information on the internet (such as the information which you are providing on your website) the vast majority of Americans are too lazy and disinterested to pay attention. I don’t sense the kind of overwhelming outrage which would certainly exist if people knew what was going on. I’m sorry Mark but the American public appears to be too stupid to get it and I’m afraid that unless this changes we are headed down a slippery slope toward full-blown fascism. For the last several years after each disaster I have thought that people would finally wake up and get it, but at this point I’m not sure that this will ever happen. Eventually it will be too late even if people do finally get it because once these neofascists establish complete control over the judicial system I think the game will be over. MCM May 14, 2007 at 8:34 pm Anonymous #1, I don’t know if you’re kidding or not. If not, let me assure you that I’m no atheist, and not really a liberal. And, if you’re not kidding, let me also thank you for so clearly demonstrating what we have to fear from the supporters of theocracy. Anonymous #2: If you’re right about the people, then it’s irrational for you to be afraid of “full-blown fascism”â€”which would seem to be the only form of government that makes much sense, if everyone is at dim-witted as you say. Certainly American democracy is a non-starter. How exactly do you know that “the vast majority” are “lazy” and “disinterested”? Have you talked to all of them yourself? Or have you just inferred as much from seeing what’s on TV? dilbertgeg May 15, 2007 at 6:43 am We could ramp up this convo a few notches.1. Jesus spared sinners like Mary, setting an example. Rushdoony and friends believe in capital punishment for certain sins, Old Testament style. Ergo, they are arguably anti-Christians. 2. It’s really all about power, not religion. Council for National Policy types include death squad leaders, CIA psywar experts, former Third Reich Nazis, corporate propagandists like Scaife and their PR mills, and rightwing fake “Christians”. They are FRAUDS. The proof is in their actions and associations. They are corporate globalists USING stupid naÃ¯ve Christians as puppets for THEIR agenda — wealth and power concentration. 3. They might not be building proverbial ovens, but they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY ARE linked to outright Fascists. Read up on Argentina, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Columbia. Google “Mitrione” and “Batallion 316”. Dems voted for this Murder, Inc. too, or to pardon the perps. The same Americans who orchestrated and trained those death squads are not finished until they have crushed freedom completely, globally. Just like they did on Sept 11, 1973 in Chile. 4. To the anonymous doof who claims that ONLY a Biblical regime can work and only the 90% of Americans who don’t fit the rigid Reconstructionist categories have something to fear, I agree. Americans have been patient and tolerant with all types, including psychos. However, if YOU choose to start a war with the majority of SANE Americans, you will find you will be crushed. (This is not a good time to have decent, law-abiding people surrender their weapons, unless liberals are OK with totalitarian slavery.) Anonymous May 18, 2007 at 12:55 am MCM, As you suggest, full-blown fascism is probably either the ideal or at least the appropriate form of government for people as lazy and disinterested as the American public. I base my evaluation of the American public’s political competence on the fraction of the electorate which votes, and on the fraction of those who vote who voted for Democratic or Independent House and Senate members over about the past twenty years. This estimate is qualitatively borne out by George W. Bush’s approval ratings, which hit a high of 90% in October of 2001. I suspect that the 10% figure for political competence in the American public based on this approval rating is a bit low in view of the fact that about 25% +/- 5% of the electorate has tried to stop the oncoming conservative steamroller over the past twenty years by voting against Republicans where it counts: in the Senate and House (and in W’s case in the presidential elections as well). What frightens me personally about fascism is that I am not very good at being a lemming. I tend to stick my neck out inadvertently in situations which require walking on eggshells (the whole 911 era comes to mind). When other people around me are thinking irrationally I tend to get into trouble. I simply need to learn to keep my mouth shut more. I am posting here anonymously largely for this reason. Fascism is very a very chaotic and dangerous circumstance to live under. While people who have experience with it tell me it is possible to survive under it you have to be very careful what you say and who you say it to, and even this will not guarantee that you do not get wrongfully sucked into the system and “disappeared.” Your neighbors and acquaintances will turn against you if they get into trouble and they think that turning you in will help them out. Hope this addresses your questions adequately. -Anonymous #2 BobGriffin June 4, 2007 at 11:50 pm Kathy, Sorry this is such an extremely late response. Fundamentalists of all sorts (Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Communist) tend (but ONLY tend) to want to lock people into their version of the truth. Various arguments among Socialists and Communists in the anti-nuclear movement of the late 1970s paralleled arguments between Christian fundamentalists. Not all fundamentalists are so narrow, but those who are not as restrictive are a (generally silent) minority. I agree, we should be able to practice or not practice any (or nearly any) religion we choose. Let me give you an example of what I mean, presented from a fundamentalist point of view (though I am no longer a fundamentalist). Suppose many Americans, including many in the government, are concerned about health issues among the public. Suppose likewise that there are many private citizens (and perhaps a few government officials) who are warey of and deeply concerned about vaccinations, and would resist any argument for vaccination. If the government forces vaccination on everyone, that is criminal abuse. So, from a fundamentalist point of view, no one religious nor non-religious viewpoint should be enforced. I STRONGLY support religious freedom, and thus equally strongly oppose dominionism of any sort. Most of the religious (and better than 90% of the non-religious) folks I know support religious freedom. Be Well (and spiritually and religiously free)Bob Griffin BobGriffin June 4, 2007 at 11:56 pm Annonymous of 5:46 PM, Democracy doesn’t necessarily lead to corruption and oppression, whether or not it be guided by “the absolute moral principles embodied in the Holy Word of God.” (There is no evidence that the democracy practiced by the Cherokees, or that by Iceland, have led to either corruption or oppression.) And theocracy (even Biblically based theocracy) often DOES lead to corruption and oppression. You have been deceived. The gospel you are preaching is NOT the gospel preached 2000 years ago. Seek the truth, and you will find it. Seek instead only the support for your views, and you may find that, to your cost. I would normally close with ‘Be Well’, but this time I can only close with Repent,Bob GriffinPS This message is specifically for the fundamentalist Annonymous who posted at 5:46 PM Leave a Reply Cancel This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. 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